BATTERY INFORMATION

Last Updated: 9/11/14

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A LITTLE ON BATTERY SAFETY

PLEASE take battery safety seriously.  It’s not a joke and it’s not something to be ignored.  The power in your battery cannot be appreciated until you experience first hand how bad it can get.  Please take the time to watch 1:10-8:25 in the following video.

 

Difference in batteries:

In the electronic cigarette “mod” world there are two main types of batteries.  ICR and IMR.

ICR = LiCoO2 (typical Li-ion)
IMR = LiMn

  • It is generally accepted that IMR batteries use a safer chemistry than ICRs which is why IMRs can be purchased with and without protection circuits.
  • IMRs can support higher discharge rates than ICRs (high drain) and are a better choice for lower resistance coils and mechanical devices.
  • Although some ICRs have increased storage capacity (mAh) they may not always be able to deliver the amps requires to power your device.  For example, this is why ProVape recommends IMR type batteries.

So if you want to be safe, what should you do?  Here are some suggestions…

  1. First, use any electronic cigarette or device AT YOUR OWN RISK!
  2. Label/date your batteries so you know how long they’ve been in-use.  If they’re still going after a year, toss them unless you have the ability to check their status.
  3. Buy your batteries from reputable venders.  I’ve been taken by the inflated mAh ratings seen on some “Ebay Offerings”.  There are many good battery vendors out there.  I get many of mine from RTD Vapor.
  4. If you are using a protected device you should be ok with any battery selection.   If not, use a safer chemistry IMR or “hybrid” and/or a mod fuse such as the 2 Cents For Safety fuse.
  5. Get a QUALITY intelligent charger.  The Xtars or Intellichargers both good choices.  I personally use THIS ONE and have never had an issue.
  6. Do no over discharge your battery.  When you’re battery approaches 3.3 volts, it’s time to charge.
  7. Do not carry loose batteries.  Batteries thrown in a purse or pocket could find metal and short.  For example… keys!  Exposed batteries have the potential to short when not properly protected.  Use a battery box!!
  8. Try not to stack, but if you MUST… 1) use protected batteries (unless your device doesn’t like protected batteries then see the following points), 2) use a fuse such as the 2 Cents For Safety if your device doesn’t have built in protection, 3) use a like pair, 4) your like pair should have been purchased at the same time… they are married.  They like to be together and spend all their time together.  So they want to be discharged (in the device) and charged (on the charger) together.  Never stack unlike batteries, or like batteries of unknown condition.
  9. Be sure your device is properly vented.  Venting is important and could prevent a potential disaster.  Venting allows battery gases to escape from your device in the event a battery fails and vents.  This will prevent your device from turning itself into a pipe bomb.
  10. If you’re into those ultra low resistance coils (which I don’t recommend BTW – I personally believe .8 ohms on a genny, or .5 on a dripper and up should be PLENTY good enough) KNOW YOUR BATTERY!!!  Be sure that the battery is capable and rated to generate the amount of amps required by your setup!  For example:

Setup 1 = 1 ohm coil with a loaded voltage of 4.0V (just an example).  Using Ohms law, Amps = Voltage/Resistance = 4 Amp Draw.  Easy for most batteries!

Setup 2 = .3 ohm coil (which I DO NOT recommend) with a loaded voltage of 4.0V (again, just an example).  Using Ohms law, Amps = Voltage/Resistance = 13.3 Amp Draw.  Can your battery support that?

Important Note - If you’ve come here looking for surge ratings, you’ve come to the wrong place.  I won’t post them, nor do I support them.  If you’re so low in your resistance that you care about surge ratings, you’re probably not vaping as safely as you should be.  You need to care about the safety of yourself, those around you, and vaping in general.   Vape safely… Vape Happy!

 

A NOTE ABOUT C-RATINGS

The C-Rating of the battery defines the maximum draw (in amps) that the battery is capable of.  To calculate the max amp draw you need the C-Rating and the mAh of the battery.  For example a 2000 mAh battery rated at 10C would be:

Max Amp Draw = (mAh / 1000) * C-Rating

(2000 / 1000) * 10 = 20 Amp Max Draw

Note: Running your batteries at their C-Rating will decrease the overall life of the battery.

The C-Rating also indicates the amount of time the battery can support that discharge rate.  A 1 C battery can support the calculated draw continuously for 1 hour.  2 C would be 1/2 of an hour.  10C would be 1/10 of an hour.

If anyone has any suggestions for additional bullets or changes to this section, PLEASE let me know!

BATTERY AMP LIMITS

This information provided courtesy of Baditude and Steam Turbine on ECF.  Thanks for this guys!

AW IMR

  • 18650 2000mah 10Amp CDR
  • 18650 1600mah 24A
  • 18490 (1100mah) 16.5A
  • 18350 (700mah) 6A

MNKE IMR

  • 18650 1500mah 20A
  • 28650 3500mah 20A

Panasonic or Orbtronic hybrid

  • CGR18650CH (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
  • NCR18650PF (LiNiCOMnO2) INR/ICR/IMR Hybrid 2900mAh 10A
  • NCR18650PD (LiNiCoAl) 2900mAh 10A
  • Orbtronic 18650 SX22 (hybrid) 2000mAh 22A
  • Orbtronic 18650 SX30 (hybrid) 2100mAh 30A

Sanyo

  • UR18650EX 2000mAh 20A

Samsung hybrid (LiNiCoMnP)

  • INR18650-22P 2200mAh 10A
  • INR18650-20R 2000mah 22A

Sony hybrid

  • us18650v3 IMR 2250mAh 10A
  • us18650vct3 1600mAh 30A
  • us18650vtc4 2100 mAh 30A
  • us18650vtc5 2600 mAh 30A
  • US26650VT 2600 mAh 30A

EH IMR

  • 18650 2000 mAh 16A
  • 18650 1500 mAh 22A
  • 18500 1100 mAh 8.8A
  • 18350 800 mAh 6.4A

Efest IMR

(Warning – there is a lot of controversy over the Purple Efest ratings.  Please use at your own risk)

  • 18650 (IMR/hybrid) 2250mAh 10A
  • 18650 2000mAh 10A
  • 18650 1600mAh 30A
  • 18490 1100mah 8.8A
  • 18350 800mah 6.4A
  • 18650 Purple 2500mah 35A
  • 18650 Purple 2100mah 30A
  • 18500 Purple 1000mah 15A
  • 18350 Purple 700mah 10.5A

LG IMR

  • 18650 2500mah 30A

There is another great spreadsheet I recently received HERE.  The person who sent it to me doesn’t know where it came from.  If it’s your, please let me know so I can either give you credit here, or remove it if you’d like ;-).

BATTERY DISCHARGE CURVES

Some notes:

  • All graphs are done with the CBA IV Battery Analyzer from West Mountain Radio.
  • All graphs are done at a 2Amp and 5Amp draw.
  • All batteries are new at the time of the test and fully charged on a Sysmax i4 3.7V Intellicharge Battery Charger

2Amp Draw Simulates:

.8 Ohm coil = 1.6 Volts = 3.2 Watts
1 Ohm coil = 2 Volts = 4 Watts
1.5 Ohm coil = 3 Volts = 6 Watts
2 Ohm coil = 4 Volts = 8 Watts
3 Ohm coil = 6 Volts = 12 Watts

5Amp Draw Simulates:

.8 Ohm coil = 4 Volts = 20 Watts
1 Ohm coil = 5 Volts = 25 Watts
1.5 Ohm coil = 7.5 Volts = 37.5 Watts
2 Ohm coil = 10 Volts = 50 Watts
3 Ohm coil = 15 Volts = 75 Watts

All 18650 Batteries To Date

 

Individual Battery Tests

18650

30(+)Amp Rated Cell  Testing

I ran some tests on a few of the newer 30(+) amp rated batteries:

Big shout out to JJ Vapes for supplying the batteries for this testing.

These cells were all discharged and charged again several times (the same amount of times) prior to testing.

Note that I have some of the new Orbtronic SX30 cells on order to add to this test.

I ran two tests. The first is a discharge test. None of the batteries were able a constant 30 Amp draw without dropping below the cutoff voltage for the test. So the test was adjusted to 20 Amps. (Yes, I was surprised by the Efest 35A’s performance here as well).

You can click on the graphs below to see them larger.

20Watt30ATest

The second test is a constant load of .2 ohms.

.2OhmConstantTest

Take from these tests what you will as performance of these cells appears to be very similar. However, to the (my) untrained eye, it appears that that VTC5 did better on the discharge test and the Efest 35A did slightly better on the .2ohm load test. For my money, I’d go with the Sony VTC5 cell.

Note that I can’t speak to the safety of one cell over the other.