{"id":12939,"date":"2016-05-17T12:35:09","date_gmt":"2016-05-17T16:35:09","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/?page_id=12939"},"modified":"2021-01-26T00:11:59","modified_gmt":"2021-01-26T05:11:59","slug":"the-battery-mooch","status":"publish","type":"page","link":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/the-battery-mooch","title":{"rendered":"BATTERY MOOCH"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I would like to personally welcome Battery Mooch to TasteYourJuice.com.  <\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Mooch&#8221; is well known in the industry as the &#8220;battery guy&#8221; and is quite popular on the ECF.  I&#8217;ve worked with Mooch several times in the background and he&#8217;s always been quite helpful and knowledgeable in answering my questions. <\/p>\n<p>Although I have some experience with battery testing, Mooch has all the experience I lack so I though it a good fit to offer him his own page here on TasteYourJuice.com.<\/p>\n<p>If you look to the left, you&#8217;ll see the new Battery Mooch page under Information\/Resources.  His first article can be found there as well.  <\/p>\n<p>WELCOME MY FRIEND!<\/p>\n<p>Who is Battery Mooch?<\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>My name is John Muchow, some of you may know me as Mooch on ECF and FB and Mooch315<br>\non ECR. I have been vaping since April, 2015 and haven&#8217;t smoked once since I<br>\nstarted!<\/p>\n<p>I was born and raised in New York City and still live there now. Since 1992 I have<br>\nbeen designing and building electronic devices for a large number of clients. My<br>\nfirst products were camera remote-control systems for sports photographers. As these<br>\nsystems, and other devices, transitioned from wired to wireless the performance of<br>\nthe batteries they used was very important as there was no way to replace them<br>\nduring use. This led to me doing more and more battery testing and developing the<br>\nelectronics to charge, test, and protect them.<\/p>\n<p>As battery technology advanced, from NiCd to NiMH to Li-Ion and now<br>\nultracapacitor\/Li-Ion hybrids, the devices I built and the battery testing I did<br>\nadvanced along with them. I started specializing in power management electronics;<br>\nbattery chargers, energy harvesters (for charging from heat, light, or<br>\nvibration\/movement), power supplies, battery analyzers, electronic loads for battery<br>\ndischarging, and battery management\/protection systems. This is the work I still do<br>\ntoday.<\/p>\n<p>My clients have included the US Army, National Geographic, Sports Illustrated,<br>\nEastman Kodak Company, and hundreds of other companies from large to small. Part of<br>\nthe work I&#8217;ve done for a lot of my clients has been battery testing. Sometimes they<br>\nwant to recommend a good battery to their customers. Other times they&#8217;re batteries I<br>\nhave chosen to combine with my electronics to form a complete, protected power<br>\nsource for them to incorporate into their products.<\/p>\n<p>Depending on my client&#8217;s requirements this testing can take up to several weeks to<br>\ncomplete. I use a subset of these tests when evaluating the batteries we use when<br>\nvaping. This includes continuous-current tests to establish the battery&#8217;s true (and<br>\nsafe) ratings. They also help to determine if there&#8217;s any risk of venting if one of<br>\nour mods autofires or a mechanical mod&#8217;s button is accidentally pressed. The<br>\npulse-current tests measure the degree of voltage sag we would see when vaping at<br>\ndifferent current levels. Both types of tests are done the same way for every set of<br>\nbatteries I test.<\/p>\n<p>This consistency in the testing allows for direct comparison of the performance of<br>\ndifferent batteries even if the pulse discharging I do doesn&#8217;t match the way you<br>\nvape.<\/p>\n<p>Safety is my number one priority. While I often test at discharge current levels<br>\nthat can result in unsafe battery temperatures, this is the only way to figure out<br>\nwhat a battery&#8217;s true and safe ratings are. No battery is totally safe but we can<br>\ncertainly avoid taking unnecessary risks. <\/p>\n<p>My blog at ECF has the results of all my testing and a few articles on batteries,<br>\nbattery safety, etc.:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blogs\/mooch.256958\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blogs\/mooch.256958\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I have also listed the equipment I use and the steps I follow when testing. This<br>\nallows anyone to replicate my tests if they want to:<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/my-cell-testing-equipment-and-setup.7431\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/my-cell-testing-equipment-and-setup.7431\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/whats-done-for-each-cell-test.7433\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/whats-done-for-each-cell-test.7433\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p>My battery test results offer you a resource you can use when choosing a battery<br>\nthat will not only be safer for the way you vape but will also give you great<br>\nperformance. <\/p>\n<p>I&#8217;m looking forward to contributing to TasteYourJuice.com and I want to thank<br>\nPBusardo for the opportunity to help spread the word on exaggerated battery ratings<br>\nand battery safety!<\/p>\n<p>Mooch<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n\n\n<h2 class=\"has-text-align-center wp-block-heading\"><span style=\"color:#54d1ff\" class=\"has-inline-color\">Latest Battery Updates<\/span><\/h2>\n\n\n<div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid aligncenter\"><div class=\"ptam-post-grid-items full-content\"><article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21911\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Epoch 9A 1100mAh 18350&#8230;great performer, slightly overrated capacity<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-07-01T20:07:06-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">July 1, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>This appears to be a rewrap of the great performing YDL 18350D cell used by other companies, probably the best 18350 available now. The 9A rating seems to be accurate but, like the other cells using the YDL 18350D, this cell has a slightly exaggerated capacity rating.<\/p>\n<p>The Yong De Li New Energy Company (YDL) gives their 18350D a 15A \u201cmax discharge current\u201d rating. Notice that this is not a continuous current rating. It seems to be for non-continuous use as the 18350D gets much too hot at 15A for that to be a continuous rating.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity of the four cells I tested was 1073mAh, 1091mAh, 1118mAh, and 1131mAh. While this is decent consistency for cells from the smaller manufacturers like YDL, two of cells failed to meet their 1100mAh rating. The cells I have cannot be the lowest capacity cells in the batch either. I am rating the Epoch at 1000mAh and this is typical for the YDL 18350D cell.<\/p>\n<p>Four cells were donated for the purposes of testing by 18650BatteryStore (<a href=\"http:\/\/www.18650batterystore.com\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">http:\/\/www.18650batterystore.com<\/a>). Thank you!<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/d6YJlg3\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/d6YJlg3<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: <a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/2Ny8n59\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/bit.ly\/2Ny8n59<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack and you use them AT YOUR OWN RISK. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/a><\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/8A7C8726-EF41-4960-98B5-C0D221970F8C-e1593220476204.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/figure>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Epoch%209A%201100mAh%2018350...great%20performer%2C%20slightly%20overrated%20capacity\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21909\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Queen Battery QB26800 20.4A 6800mAh 26800&#8230;great performing, ultra-high capacity<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-07-01T20:00:52-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">July 1, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>This is a great performing, ultra-high capacity 26800 size cell. Why test such a large cell? I was curious about it and other sizes like 20700 and 21700 weren\u2019t used until manufacturers decided to support those sizes. I always like to see what is available in different sizes in case there are great performing cells out there we\u2019re not using right now. This is one of them.<\/p>\n<p>If more 26800\u2019s become available then the larger manufacturers might be willing to make the investment and create 26800 devices. Or a smaller company could 3D print some 26800 battery sleds and create a device using these cells for a relatively small investment.<\/p>\n<p>The QB26800 is 26mm in diameter and 80mm long, weighing about 121gms. Think of it as a long 26650.<\/p>\n<p>It is rated at 3C (20.4A) continuous by the manufacturer. There is a 5C (34A) \u201cmax pulse discharge current\u201d rating for 30 seconds but that could be for just a single pulse so we cannot use that as some sort of \u201cpulse\u201d rating.<\/p>\n<p>This cell performed pretty well at 20A, staying at a decent temperature and without a lot of voltage sag, so the manufacturer\u2019s rating of 20.4A sounds reasonable.<\/p>\n<p>This is a great cell for low to moderate power levels, up to 60W or so, beating the best high-capacity cells in other sizes. The QB26800 outperformed the Vapcell Red 20A 5500mAh 26650, delivering 15.5Wh of energy at 15A down to 3.2V versus 12.8Wh for the Vapcell 26650. The great performing (5000mAh) Vapcell G50 21700 only delivered 10.2Wh of energy.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity of the two cells I tested was 7177mAh and 7203mAh. This is decent consistency for cells from a China manufacturer and they significantly exceeded their 6800mAh rating. This kind of underrating rarely happens and I am wondering if there is either a large inconsistency between batches (or within a batch) or this cell has had its chemistry adjusted or might do so in the future. I am rating them at the manufacturer\u2019s rating of 6800mAh.<\/p>\n<p>Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Oskar Triebe. Thank you!<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/YNaocNN\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/YNaocNN<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: <a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3ePBMDW\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/bit.ly\/3ePBMDW<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack and you use them AT YOUR OWN RISK. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/a><\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/07\/64C03957-FF5F-4602-AF83-01A2D23322DC-scaled-e1593647460838.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/figure>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Queen%20Battery%20QB26800%2020.4A%206800mAh%2026800...great%20performing%2C%20ultra-high%20capacity\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21406\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell Yellow K30 \u2013 15A 3000mAh 18650&#8230;average performer, ignore the \u201cmax\u201d rating<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-07-01T19:57:21-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">July 1, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>The Vapcell K30 is an average performing 3000mAh cell. It is outperformed by the Samsung 30Q, Sony\/Murata VTC6, and LG HG2. Even the 20A 2500mAh Vapcell K25 runs for a bit longer at 10A. These appear to be China-manufactured cells and the 15A rating seems reasonable.<\/p>\n<p>The 30A \u201cmax\u201c rating on the wrap cannot be used to compare these cells to any others. While Vapcell says they have done some testing the max rating was also set based on marketing needs.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity of the two cells I tested was 2962mAh and 2991mAh. While this is decent consistency for China-manufactured cells they failed to meet their 3000mAh rating. The cells I have cannot be the lowest capacity cells in the batch either. I am rating the K30 at 2900mAh.<\/p>\n<p>Two cells were sent for the purposes of testing by Vapcell (www.vapcelltech.com). Thank you!<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/Y1exCW6<\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: https:\/\/bit.ly\/2WBy6ha<\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack and you use them AT YOUR OWN RISK. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/E16D990E-7578-4453-98B0-DABCF4CD8030-scaled-e1593647690204.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/figure>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Vapcell%20Yellow%20K30%20%E2%80%93%2015A%203000mAh%2018650...average%20performer%2C%20ignore%20the%20%E2%80%9Cmax%E2%80%9D%20rating\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21408\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell Red K25 \u2013 20A 2500mAh 18650&#8230;equals Samsung 25R, ignore max rating<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-07-01T19:57:13-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">July 1, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>The Vapcell K25 performs essentially the same as the Samsung 25R, an average performing 20A 2500mAh cell. These appear to be China-manufactured cells and the 20A rating seems reasonable.<\/p>\n<p>The 35A \u201cmax\u201c rating on the wrap cannot be used to compare these cells to any others. While Vapcell says they have done some testing the max rating was also set based on marketing needs.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity of the two cells I tested was 2517mAh and 2545mAh. This is decent consistency for China-manufactured cells and I am rating the K25 at 2500mAh.<\/p>\n<p>Two cells were sent for the purposes of testing by Vapcell (www.vapcelltech.com). Thank you!<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/nEbnD7a<\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/threads\/bench-test-results-vapcell-k25-\u2013-20a-2500mah-18650-equals-samsung-25r-ignore-max-rating.940899\/<\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack and you use them AT YOUR OWN RISK. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/p>\n<figure><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/C93A6714-C554-425E-9580-BBB2A000A607-scaled-e1593647712574.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/figure>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Vapcell%20Red%20K25%20%E2%80%93%2020A%202500mAh%2018650...equals%20Samsung%2025R%2C%20ignore%20max%20rating\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21464\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Minding Your mAhs Ep33 \u2013 Golisi S4 charger safety defect recall \u2013 Where is Golisi?<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-05-15T17:17:24-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">May 15, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>This video has been uploaded to my Battery Mooch YouTube channel.<\/p>\n<p>On April 17th, 2020, the Golisi S4 charger was recalled in the European Union (EU) for having two serious safety defects. As of May 14th Golisi has said nothing about this!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/cobmN-FWtTY\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/cobmN-FWtTY<\/a><\/p>\n<p>You can contact Golisi at info@golisi.com.<\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/05\/C8D7E762-4758-491D-A56C-6DAAA899E1DA-scaled-e1589577374791.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Minding%20Your%20mAhs%20Ep33%20%E2%80%93%20Golisi%20S4%20charger%20safety%20defect%20recall%20%E2%80%93%20Where%20is%20Golisi%3F\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21079\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Orbtronic 30A 3120mAh 18650&#8230;playing ratings games?<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-03-31T17:49:21-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">March 31, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>This appears to be a rewrap of the Murata VTC6, rated at 15A continuous by Murata, but the Orbtronic cells performed a bit worse than a Murata VTC6.<\/p>\n<p>The VTC6 has a \u201ctemperature-limited\u201d rating of 30A if you do not let it get hot, over 80\u00b0C. You can use it at up to 30A but at above about 17A-20A you could get more run time from the more efficient 25A cells like the Molicel P26A and the Sony\/Murata VTC5A and VTC5D. This is because there is less voltage sag with these higher performance cells and that means the voltage stays up for longer when being used hard.<\/p>\n<p>One issue I have with this Orbtronic cell is that the wrap has a big, bold \u201c30A\u201c on it and only in the tiniest lettering can you see that it\u2018s not a true 30A cell. You cannot use that 30A rating to compare this cell to any others that just list their true continuous current rating!<\/p>\n<p>The 40A \u201cmax pulse\u201c rating on the wrap is just something they made up. It\u2019s not listed in the VTC6 datasheet and there is no standard for setting a \u201cmax pulse\u201d rating. It cannot be used to compare these cells to any other cells.<\/p>\n<p>The VTC6 has a rated capacity of 3000mAh and a nominal (typical) capacity of 3120mAh. While the capacity rating that Orbtronic uses is the nominal rating for the VTC6 be careful when using this 3120mAh rating to compare this cell to any other one. Other cells typically use the lower rated capacity number, as they should since it is a guaranteed minimum capacity.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity of the two cells I tested was 3090mAh (below Orbtronic\u2019s rating) and 3122mAh. Since the two cells I tested cannot be the lowest capacity Orbtronics out there I am rating them at 3000mAh, the rated capacity of the VTC6.<\/p>\n<p>I am very disappointed to see that Orbtronic seems to be playing the same ratings games as some China battery wrapping companies.<\/p>\n<p>This Orbtronic cell uses a paper top insulating ring so I recommend not allowing it to be exposed to any liquids as they could be absorbed and cause rusting under the ring. Paper rings can be more resistant to extreme heat though than plastic insulating rings.<\/p>\n<p>Two cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/B9l24e4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/B9l24e4<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: <a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/2UQHg8D\">https:\/\/bit.ly\/2UQHg8D<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack and you use them AT YOUR OWN RISK. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/BC6D12F0-38AE-4B94-AD67-789BA66FCE40-scaled-e1585690603279.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Orbtronic%2030A%203120mAh%2018650...playing%20ratings%20games%3F\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/21029\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Vapcell H10 \u2013 10A 1000mAh 14500&#8230;slightly overrated capacity<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-03-29T13:46:56-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">March 29, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/uncategorized\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Uncategorized<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>This is a decent 10A cell but I recommend staying under 7A\/20W for better performance and less voltage sag.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity for the two Vapcells I tested was 957mAh and 958mAh at 200mA (0.2C) down to 2.5V. This is incredible consistency but these cells fail to meet their 1000mAh rating. I am rating them at 900mAh.<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/vB5aD16\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/vB5aD16<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: <a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/3bxwFq0\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/bit.ly\/3bxwFq0<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack and you use them AT YOUR OWN RISK. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/26954423-6BEF-410D-88A5-4946DE376EA0-scaled-e1585358301336.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Vapcell%20H10%20%E2%80%93%2010A%201000mAh%2014500...slightly%20overrated%20capacity\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/20925\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Panasonic NCR18650G 3550mAh 18650&#8230;NCR18650GA is slightly better<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-03-15T18:08:28-04:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">March 15, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>Right now this cell has the highest capacity rating for any 18650 at 3550mAh (\u201ctypical nominal\u201d). You\u2019ll often see that rounded up to 3600mAh.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity for the two NCR18650G\u2019s I tested was 3462mAh and 3481mAh at 710mA (0.2C) down to 2.5V. This is great consistency and is typical for cells from the big manufacturers. The capacity I measured exceeds this cell\u2019s 3400mAh minimum rated capacity but falls short of its 3550mAh typical nominal capacity rating. Possibly due to the cells I tested being a slightly lower grade? I am rating these at at 3400mAh as I am sure I do not have the lowest capacity cells that are being sold.<\/p>\n<p>At 5A\/15W this cell doesn\u2019t perform quite as well as the 3500mAh LG MJ1 or the 3450mAh Panasonic NCR18650GA, with the NCR18650GA being the best performer of the three. It\u2019s not a big difference though.<\/p>\n<p>If you are down under 2A\/6W per cell (12W in a two battery regulated device) you might, perhaps, get a bit more run time from the NCR18650G.<\/p>\n<p>The NCR18650G has no current rating in the datasheet but it shows a pretty severe loss of cycle life at 6A and the datasheet only shows discharge curves for up to 8A. I\u2019ve seen it rated at anywhere from 4.87A to 8A on various web sites.<\/p>\n<p>For the NCR18650G I recommend staying under 5A\/15W or so and I am rating it at 5A. The cycle life is too low and the voltage sag is just too large when above that. As I do for any cell, I recommend not using it near or above its rating. This helps to keep the risks from rising even more, increases performance, and increases the overall life of the cell.<\/p>\n<p>So while this is the highest capacity 18650 its high internal resistance means the better performing NCR18650GA is still my #1 choice for low power 18650 users (up to about 7A\/21W).<\/p>\n<p>Two cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/miyE0bP\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/miyE0bP<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: <a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/33jSRRr\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/bit.ly\/33jSRRr<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/D080F0C4-6415-441B-B45A-A7A169BF3291-e1584298709565.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Panasonic%20NCR18650G%203550mAh%2018650...NCR18650GA%20is%20slightly%20better\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/20836\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Samsung\u2019s \u201cillegal\u201d battery use letter to Gregory Conley, president of the AVA<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-03-07T14:27:43-05:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">March 7, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>Shared with permission: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/gQgwvDD\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/gQgwvDD<\/a><\/p>\n<p>You might have heard about LG\u2019s and Samsung\u2019s efforts to get vendors to stop selling their batteries. This letter was sent to Gregory Conley by Samsung\u2019s attorneys as part of that.<\/p>\n<p>Samsung claims these sales are illegal and asks the AVA to help them prevent injuries (a good thing) and to help stop sales of Samsung batteries (not a good thing). The attorneys also have a long list of things they say the AVA could do.<\/p>\n<p>Let that sink in&#8230;Samsung, a multi-billion dollar company, is asking the AVA to start a safety campaign, add warnings to their newsletter and web site, send a blast e-mail to all their members, send separate notices to all AVA shops and employees, make announcements at all AVA events, meetings, etc., and post an AVA press release.<\/p>\n<p>Gregory Conley\u2019s response to the letter on Twitter was awesome: <a href=\"https:\/\/twitter.com\/GregTHR\/status\/1235383737623498754\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/twitter.com\/GregTHR\/status\/1235383737623498754<\/a><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Samsung%E2%80%99s%20%E2%80%9Cillegal%E2%80%9D%20battery%20use%20letter%20to%20Gregory%20Conley%2C%20president%20of%20the%20AVA\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<article class=\"no-thumb\" style=\"border: 2px solid #54d1ff;  background: inherit; padding: 15px; border-radius: 10px;\"><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-text\"><h2 class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-title\" ><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/20828\" rel=\"bookmark\" style=\"color: #54d1ff; font-family: arial; box-shadow: unset;\">A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Murata 2700mAh VTC5D 18650&#8230;great performer now bit worse than VTC5A<\/a><\/h2><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-byline \" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><div class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-author\"><a class=\"ptam-text-link\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/author\/jmuchow\" style=\"color: #abb8c3\">John Muchow<\/a><\/div><time datetime=\"2020-03-06T19:01:57-05:00\" class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-date\">March 6, 2020<\/time><div class=\"ptam-terms\"><span class=\"ptam-term-label\">Categories: <\/span><span class=\"ptam-term-values\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/the-battery-mooch\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Battery Mooch<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/archives\/category\/recent_news\" style=\"color: #abb8c3; text-decoration: none; box-shadow: unset;\">Recent News<\/a><\/span><\/div><\/div><p class=\"ptam-block-post-grid-excerpt\" style='color: #ffffff; font-family: inherit'><p>When I tested the Sony version of this cell in 2018 and the Murata version in 2019 it performed a bit better than the Sony\/Murata VTC5A. The two sets of cells from two sources I just tested performed a bit worse that the VTC5A now though. Perhaps some of the VTC5D\u2019s that are available now are a lower grade? I don\u2019t know.<\/p>\n<p>The VTC5D is still a great performing cell but right now I personally wouldn\u2019t pay more for them than what VTC5A\u2019s cost. I don\u2019t think you\u2019ll notice any difference in performance between them.<\/p>\n<p>All of the VTC5D\u2019s I have seen have the secondary bottom venting ring. If your \u201cVTC5D\u201d cells do not have the ring I cannot guarantee that this means they are fake but I have never seen a VTC5D without the ring.<\/p>\n<p>The bottom battery contact of a mod will press against the bottom venting ring of this cell. This could potentially interfere with venting of the cell if there was an accidental short circuit or incredibly rare internal defect. I don\u2019t know how much of a safety issue this might be. As with all of the round cells we buy, use this cell at your own risk.<\/p>\n<p>Murata gives this cell a temperature-limited rating of 35A. This means Murata says you can use it at up to 35A as long as the cell temperature does not go above 90\u00b0C., which is incredibly hot. There is no continuous current rating in the datasheet. I am giving it a 25A rating as that is as high as you can go before exceeding my 80\u00b0C temperature limit.<\/p>\n<p>Using this cell at levels higher than this just accelerates its aging, shortens it overall life, increases the risks, and results in lower performance. If you are above 25A then I recommend using the Samsung 20S instead.<\/p>\n<p>The capacity for the four Murata VTC5D\u2019s I tested ranged from 2740mAh to 2745mAh at 540mA (0.2C) down to 2.5V. This is astoundingly good consistency and is typical for good cells from the big manufacturers. I am rating these cells at at 2700mAh.<\/p>\n<p>Four cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.<\/p>\n<p>Ratings graphic: <a href=\"https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/PNGuXVg\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/imgur.com\/a\/PNGuXVg<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Full Test report: <a href=\"https:\/\/bit.ly\/2VTa3f4\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/bit.ly\/2VTa3f4<\/a><\/p>\n<p>I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability, battery and charger testing and news, and a say in what I test, then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.patreon.com\/batterymooch<\/a>.<\/p>\n<p>These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, Murata, LG, Panasonic, Molicel, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using \u201crewrapped\u201d batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.<\/p>\n<p>Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery\u2019s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.<\/p>\n<p>Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.<\/p>\n<p>To see how other cells have tested check out this link: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/\" target=\"_blank\" rel=\"noopener noreferrer\">https:\/\/www.e-cigarette-forum.com\/forum\/blog-entry\/list-of-battery-tests.7436\/<\/a><\/p>\n<p><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/03\/6B7A3532-2FBE-4053-AB80-A5127B267AA9-e1583532456261.jpeg\" class=\"size-full\"><\/p>\n<div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"A%20BATTERY%20MOOCH%20POST%3A%20Murata%202700mAh%20VTC5D%2018650...great%20performer%20now%20bit%20worse%20than%20VTC5A\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div><\/p><\/div><\/article>\n<\/div><div class=\"ptam-pagination\"><ul class='page-numbers'>\n\t<li><span aria-current=\"page\" class=\"page-numbers current\">1<\/span><\/li>\n\t<li><a class=\"page-numbers\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/12939\/page\/2\">2<\/a><\/li>\n\t<li><a class=\"page-numbers\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/12939\/page\/3\">3<\/a><\/li>\n\t<li><span class=\"page-numbers dots\">&hellip;<\/span><\/li>\n\t<li><a class=\"page-numbers\" href=\"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/12939\/page\/35\">35<\/a><\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<\/div><\/div><div style=\"padding-bottom:20px; padding-top:10px;\" class=\"hupso-share-buttons\"><!-- Hupso Share Buttons - https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/ --><a class=\"hupso_toolbar\" href=\"https:\/\/www.hupso.com\/share\/\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/buttons\/dot.png\" style=\"border:0px; padding-top: 5px; float:left;\" alt=\"Share Button\"\/><\/a><script type=\"text\/javascript\">var hupso_services_t=new Array(\"Twitter\",\"Facebook\",\"Google Plus\",\"Pinterest\",\"Reddit\");var hupso_background_t=\"#EAF4FF\";var hupso_border_t=\"#66CCFF\";var hupso_toolbar_size_t=\"medium\";var hupso_image_folder_url = \"\";var hupso_url_t=\"\";var hupso_title_t=\"BATTERY%20MOOCH\";<\/script><script type=\"text\/javascript\" src=\"https:\/\/static.hupso.com\/share\/js\/share_toolbar.js\"><\/script><!-- Hupso Share Buttons --><\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I would like to personally welcome Battery Mooch to TasteYourJuice.com. &#8220;Mooch&#8221; is well known in the industry as the &#8220;battery guy&#8221; and is quite popular&#8230;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":2,"featured_media":0,"parent":0,"menu_order":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","template":"","meta":{"footnotes":""},"class_list":["post-12939","page","type-page","status-publish","hentry"],"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/12939","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/page"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/2"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=12939"}],"version-history":[{"count":3,"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/12939\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":24009,"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/pages\/12939\/revisions\/24009"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/www.tasteyourjuice.com\/wordpress\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=12939"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}