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A PBusardo Review – The EHPRO Mod 101 + (Not A) Contests

In this video, we do some clarification & some follow-up, talk about a liquid line, review the EHPRO Mod 101, announce the last (not a) contest winner, and kick off a new one!

The Links:
Battery Mooch Information Mentioned In The Video
VonVape
Joshua Unger/VonVape Information Mentioned In The Video
EHPRO
Vape Sourcing

The Post Review Follow-up:

• 3/29/17 – The information came in at 4AM.  The device shuts itself off after 30 minutes.  This is why it didn’t bother me as much as with mods that shut off around the 5 minute mark.
• 3/29/17 – In the video I said the device works with an 18450 or 18500.  First, for that 18450 I meant to say 18490… surprised no one caught that yet.  Second, SupaDr00g commented that those batteries would not work so I took a closer look with two batteries I had on hand:

The AW-IMR 18490 did not work.  The threading on the larger tube section was not deep enough to allow the battery cap to tighten enough to make contact.  The BestFire 18500 did work.  They are both button top batteries.  Keep that in mind should you want to use the device in “18500” mode:

AW-IMR ≈ 49.2mm
BestFire ≈ 50.7mm

BTW – Never measure battery length with metal calipers.  😉

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Bottom Line: I realize that this pack is widely used and loved by many vapers. These test results are not an indictment of anyone or anyone’s decision to use this pack. Its performance is what it is, no matter who uses it or how it’s used.

Hopefully though it’s no surprise that a pack that is both smaller and having a higher capacity rating than others in its class also has a higher internal resistance, adversely affecting its performance. It’s no different than the round cells we use. Higher capacity means a lower current rating. We can’t have the highest capacity and the highest current rating in the same cell….or lipo pack.

This MaxAmps is stunningly, absurdly overrated. It has the highest internal resistance I’ve tested in an 1800mAh-class pack and is by far the worst performer. It reached the maximum internal temperature of 60°C at only 10A continuous and 30A pulsed. A single 30A continuous discharge severely damaged the pack.

Its internal resistance is more than double the average for the other packs, resulting in truly huge voltage sag. Discharging this pack at its 185A, “True 100C”, current rating would result in about 7.7V of voltage sag, instantly bringing the pack voltage down to about 4.9V. This makes this pack’s 185A rating utterly useless for even the shortest of pulses.

The pack is available with 12AWG and 16AWG wiring. The test results were almost identical for both wire sizes, showing that the cell resistance is much, much higher than any changes in wire resistance.

MaxAmps sells this pack with 16AWG wiring as the “Standard” configuration and 12AWG wiring as an upgrade. This is astounding to me. This pack’s 185A rating is far above the 117A “fusing current” rating for 16AWG wire, the current level at which the wire melts after several seconds.

Yes, melts.

Even just a short pulse applied at this pack’s “True 100A” rating could raise the 16AWG wiring’s temperature to several hundred degrees.

The two packs I tested here were purchased directly from MaxAmps and are not “bad packs”. I also did some preliminary testing of a third pack a couple months ago and it had an internal resistance of about 45mOhms, matching the terrible performance of these two.

Having said all this though the pack’s performance is still better than any 18650’s in a sled (where the internal resistance totals at least 75mOhms) at 30A or less. Combine this with the MaxAmps’s small size and you still have a pack that can be used very successfully in lots of vaping setups. It’s an especially good match with regulator boards in the 200W-250W range, combining small size and adequate power handling. If you have the extra room though there are better performing packs available for higher power/current LiPo setups.

CAUTION: LiPo’s use the most volatile of the Li-Ion battery chemistries and can cause extreme injury if abused. Never use a LiPo unless the cells, wraps, wiring, and connector are in perfect condition. Never exceed the CDR of the LiPo unless you understand and accept the risks involved. You are responsible for your own safety, be careful!
My Ratings:
– Capacity = 1800mAh
– Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) = 10A (6C)
– Average Pack IR = 41.2mOhms
– Average Cell IR = 12.7mOhms
– Dimensions/Weight = 87 x 36 x 21mm/16AWG wiring =124gms, 12AWG wiring=128gms

IR = Internal Resistance
mOhms = milliohms
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/maxamps-100c-1850mah-3s-lipo-pack-bench-test-results-tiny-but-only-a-6c-17c-pack.795569/

LiPo ratings table: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/lipo-pack-safety-grades-and-performance-table.7807/

All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

Here’s the latest from Brent Stafford at Regulator Watch:

Woven into Canada’s draft federal vaping regulations is a contradiction, which could undermine every aspect of the legislation. If Bill S-5 is enacted ‘as is’ no person in Canada whether a vaper, retailer, e-liquid manufacture or doctor, lawyer and member of government could compare vaping to smoking in anyway, let alone state that vaping is less harmful than smoking.

Contravening the ‘no health claims and ‘no comparisons’ sections of Bill S-5 would be a criminal offense. But according to one of Britain’s top smoking cessation experts the real crime is that Canada’s federal vaping regulations would result in the death of thousands of smokers, if they receive the wrong message about vaping.

In this episode of RegWatch meet Louise Ross, the Stop Smoking Service Manager for Leicester City Council in England and learn how extraordinarily “vaping friendly” the UK really is—only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com.

RegulatorWatch.com – March 28, 2017.

WEB EXTRA:

Debunking Bad Press | Web Extra

When junk science is appealing it inevitably leads to a deluge of mainstream media coverage. A favorite target proves to be vaping. How to combat it?

In this RegWatch Web Extra hear from Louise Ross, the Stop Smoking Service Manager for Leicester City Council in England and learn how her Stop Smoking Service fights bad science in the news—only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com.

RegulatorWatch.com – March 28, 2017.

Bottom Line: This Thunder Power Rampage is overrated (for its factory rating) but it is an ok performing pack.

Its internal resistance is a bit higher than the average of the other packs I have tested, resulting in a bit of extra voltage sag, but the consistency between the cells in the two packs was the best of the packs I tested. Discharging this pack at its 126A (70C) current rating would quickly bring the voltage down to about 9V. This pack’s 126A (70C) rating can’t even be called a pulse rating.

CAUTION: LiPo’s use the most volatile of the Li-Ion battery chemistries and can cause extreme injury if abused. Never use a LiPo unless the cells, wraps, wiring, and connector are in perfect condition. Never exceed the CDR of the LiPo unless you understand and accept the risks involved. You are responsible for your own safety, be careful!
My Ratings
Capacity = 1800mAh
Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) = 20A (11C)
Average Pack IR = 24.0mOhms
Average Cell IR = 6.6mOhms
Dimensions/Weight = 103 x 33 x 25mm/ 156gms

IR = Internal Resistance
mOhms = milliohms
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/thunder-power-rampage-70c-1800mah-3s-lipo-pack-bench-test-results-only-11c-31c-but-ok-performe.795357/

LiPo ratings table: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/lipo-pack-safety-grades-and-performance-table.7807/

All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

Bottom Line: This Thunder Power Elite is an overrated and poor performing pack for its factory rating.

Its internal resistance is at least 30% higher than the average of the other packs I have tested, resulting in extra voltage sag. Discharging this pack at its 99A (55C) current rating would quickly bring the voltage down under 10V.

CAUTION: LiPo’s use the most volatile of the Li-Ion battery chemistries and can cause extreme injury if abused. Never use a LiPo unless the cells, wraps, wiring, and connector are in perfect condition. Never exceed the CDR of the LiPo unless you understand and accept the risks involved. You are responsible for your own safety, be careful!
My Ratings:
Capacity = 1800mAh
Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) = 20A (11C)
Average Pack IR = 26.1mOhms
Average Cell IR = 7.4mOhms
Dimensions/Weight = 100 x 32 x 27mm/ 158gms

IR = Internal Resistance
mOhms = milliohms
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/thunder-power-elite-55c-1800mah-3s-lipo-pack-bench-test-results-a-poor-performing-11c-19c-pack.795183/

LiPo ratings table: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/lipo-pack-safety-grades-and-performance-table.7807/

All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

Bottom Line: This Turnigy A-SPEC is an overrated and poor performing pack for its factory rating.

Its internal resistance is about double the average of the other packs I have tested, resulting in extra voltage sag. Discharging this pack at its 117A (65C) current rating would quickly bring the voltage down to about 8V

It can’t even be considered a 65C pulse-rated pack as the first pulse would be near 8V, below the typical 9.0V cutoff for a 3S LiPo pack.

CAUTION: LiPo’s use the most volatile of the Li-Ion battery chemistries and can cause extreme injury if abused. Never use a LiPo unless the cells, wraps, wiring, and connector are in perfect condition. Never exceed the CDR of the LiPo unless you understand and accept the risks involved. You are responsible for your own safety, be careful!
My Ratings:
Capacity = 1800mAh
Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) = 20A (11C)
Average Pack IR = 36.1mOhms
Average Cell IR = 10.1mOhms
Dimensions/Weight = 103 x 31 x 25mm/ 160gms

IR = Internal Resistance
mOhms = milliohms
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/turnigy-a-spec-65c-1800mah-3s-lipo-pack-bench-test-results-only-a-poor-performing-11c-19c-pack.795063/

LiPo ratings table: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/lipo-pack-safety-grades-and-performance-table.7807/

All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

Bottom Line: This Turnigy Nano-Tech is a decent performing pack but is absurdly overrated.

Discharging this pack at its 117A (65C) continuous current rating would quickly bring the voltage down to about 9V and quickly heat it up past Turnigy’s max temperature rating, causing the pack to permanently puff and be damaged. It can’t even be considered a 65C pulse-rated pack. Its 130C (234A) “pulse” rating is ridiculous. The fusing current rating for 12AWG wire, where it melts in a few seconds, is 217A. Pulsing this pack at its 234A rating can easily heat the wiring and connections up to several hundred degrees. Long pulses would melt the copper wiring.

Any decent pack can be pulsed for very, very short time periods at these crazy high current levels but that doesn’t make those discharge current levels a rating. It’s just a capability of the pack. Without knowing the length of the pulse, how often you can do it (its duty cycle), and the criteria used to set the rating (voltage? temperature? run time? cycle life?) these numbers are useless. They can’t be used to compare any pack against any other.

It’s shame that Turnigy felt the need to exaggerate the rating of this pack so badly as it’s a decent performing pack.

CAUTION: LiPo’s use the most volatile of the Li-Ion battery chemistries and can cause extreme injury if abused. Never use a LiPo unless the cells, wraps, wiring, and connector are in perfect condition. Never exceed the CDR of the LiPo unless you understand and accept the risks involved. You are responsible for your own safety, be careful!
My Ratings:
Capacity = 1800mAh
Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) = 35A (19C)
Average Pack IR = 16.5mOhms
Average Cell IR = 3.8mOhms
Dimensions/Weight = 104 x 34 x 25mm/ 176gms

IR = Internal Resistance
mOhms = milliohms
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/turnigy-nano-tech-65c-130c-1800mah-3s-lipo-pack-bench-test-results-preposterously-overrated.794989/

LiPo ratings table: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/lipo-pack-safety-grades-and-performance-table.7807/

All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

I’ve been getting these so thought I’d share in case it could help you…

FROM THE TRENCHES: VTA WEEKLY UPDATE

This week has been another exciting week for VTA. VTA’s ranks continue to grow as an additional association has joined our membership! In addition, we are asking all state associations to be vigilant as budget bills are being filed, and several include burdensome taxes on vapor products.

THE FEDERAL FRONT

VTA NEEDS YOU TO ACT NOW!
As you may know, President Trump’s Administration has made rolling back burdensome federal regulations a cornerstone of its agenda. Limiting the small-business killing impact of the Deeming Regulation must be addressed now.

Please take a moment today and lend your business’ name to a letter urging HHS Secretary Price to delay full implementation of the FDA deeming regulation, which is the first necessary step in the larger effort to reform the way the FDA regulates the vapor industry.

CLICK HERE TO SIGN YOUR NAME TO THE LETTER!

Vapor Industry Leaders To Congressional Leadership: Support Cole-Bishop and SAVE VAPOR!
VTA joined with Smoke Free Alternatives Trade Association, Consumer Advocates for Smoke-Free Alternatives Association and the American Vaping Association to send a letter to leaders of both parties in Congress urging them to support the “FDA Deeming Authority Clarification Act of 2017” (H.R. 1136), legislation that would keep vapor products on the shelves and protect small vapor businesses across the country from being overrun by overly burdensome federal regulations.

Read VTA’s press release HERE, and the full text of the letter HERE.

VTA’s Ashley Davis joins Smoke Free Radio
This week, VTA’s Washington, DC lobbyist joined Smoke Free Radio to discuss Cole-Bishop and efforts to delay implementation of the FDA’s industry-killing deeming regulation. Check out the interview HERE.

Congressional Update
Three issues are dominating Congress this week: (1) House consideration of the American Health Care Act (aka the reconciliation package repealing portions of the ACA); (2) Senate Judiciary Committee hearings on the nomination of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court; (3) the FBI Director’s testimony on Russia.

Health Care

• The original plan was to take up consideration of the American Health Care Act in the House of Representatives today. However, there are a lot of moving parts, and with members of the Freedom Caucus and the Tuesday Group ongoing, Speaker Ryan has yet to call for a vote.
• Once the House passes the bill, the Senate will take it up next week – the week of March 27th.
• Note: changes are expected to the bill in the Senate, thus the bill will have to go back to the House for consideration or to a conference committee between both houses to work out the differences.

Supreme Court Hearings for Judge Neil Gorsuch in Senate Judiciary

• Monday – opening statements from all committee members and Judge Gorsuch
• Tuesday and Wednesday – questions from committee members to Judge Gorsuch
• Thursday (and possibly Friday) – testimony from third-party witnesses for and against Judge Gorsuch

Congress: A Look Ahead

• Week of April 3^rd: Debate and confirmation of Judge Neil Gorsuch to the Supreme Court
• REMINDER: Government funding expires on Friday, April 28^th, which is the end of the first week back after the spring recess.  This is going to be a big debate post health care/Gorsuch.

TPSAC meeting in Silver Spring, MD – April 6, 2017
On April 6, 2017, FDA will present information to the Tobacco Products Scientific Advisory Committee(TPSAC) on the processes used in review of tobacco product applications, including premarket tobacco, substantial equivalence, and modified risk tobacco product applications. Topics will include the statutory standards applicable to the different types of applications, the scientific basis for review decisions, with a focus on PMTA and MRTPA, and the role of the Committee in the review process. Click here for more information.

Seating for this meeting may be limited, so the public is encouraged to watch the free webcast instead of traveling to the meeting. The link for the webcast will be available approximately 15 minutes prior to the beginning of the meeting each day. Click here to access the webcast.

THE STATE OF THE STATES

There has been significant bill movement in several states that would affect vapor products over the last week. Two states have introduced additional vapor tax proposals in the last two weeks. Nevada has introduced a tax on vapor products of 5 cents per milliliter (A 269) and West Virginia introduced a tax of 10.5 cents per milliliter of consumable product (SB 677 and SB678). In addition, there are several additional pieces of legislation moving in various states related to Tobacco 21 laws, Clean-Indoor Air Bans, and coupon and sales restrictions. If you have concerns about specific bills in your states, or their potential impact on your business, please contact us. We are active with 20 state vapor groups and are ready to help you!

Indiana House Begins Debate Vaping Reform Bill
The Indiana House this week held its first subject matter hearing on Senate Bill 1 – the bill which will re-open the Indiana market to vapor companies. We ask that all Indiana businesses remain plugged in to this debate and that you support financially the efforts of the Indiana Smoke Free Alliance which has been leading the charge. There is no better investment of your funds if you are interested in re-opening the state of Indiana to vapor business. We will continue to update you when calls to action are needed.

Maryland Licensure Bill Harms Vapor Industry
The Maryland Vapor Alliance is working on addressing concerns with HB 523 which passed the Senate last week. House Bill 523 would create a separate licensure requirement for manufacturers, wholesalers, storage facilities, and retailers. The bill also places limitations on the transportation of vapor products, and affects where retailers and consumers may attain their vapor products.  Look for a Call to Action shortly from the VTA and the Maryland Vapor Alliance.

Pennsylvania Introduces Tax Reform Bill
The Pennsylvania Vaping Association has hit the ground running. PVA introduced Senate Bill 508 which would repeal the 40% wholesale tax and replace the current tax with a 5-cents per milliliter tax. PVA representatives are aggressively engaged, meeting with all the key decision makers and elected officials to craft a new path forward for vapor businesses in the Keystone State. Thank you to the Pennsylvania Vaping Association for all your hard work!

Montana In Bill Killing Mode
Freedom Vapes has been leading the charge in Helena to kill the Clean Indoor bill (done) and is taking on the absurd industry killing 74% wholesale tax being proposed.  Together with Freedom Vapes we have generated over 3,000 anti-tax messages to the committee. Ron and Deanna Marshall are in the Capitol working hard to defend Montana. Give them your support as they build a solid grass roots constituency!

Webinar Series: Start and Grow Your State Association
VTA continued its webinar series this week with organizing calls in New Mexico and New York. If you would like to get involved in starting and growing state associations in either state, please contact us.

Further, if you would like assistance in getting your state organized, please contact us. We would be happy to assist you in forming a state association to fight back against anti-vapor legislation.

GET SOCIAL / STAY CONNECTED

Get involved and save vapor!
We are on the right path, but in order to be successful, we present a unified front. This is why VTA wants YOU to get involved. Call your state legislator. Write your congressman. Because if we do not make our voices heard, the powerful interests that are working to defeat us will prevail.

To learn more about how to get involved in the fight to save vapor, visit www.vaportechnology.org and www.SaveVapor.org.

Please take a moment and forward this email to anyone you know will be interested in what’s going on and encourage them to sign up for our mailing list at www.vaportechnology.org or www.SaveVapor.org.

And, don’t forget to follow us on Facebook and Twitter.

Thank you for all you do to defend our industry!

Tony Abboud
Executive Director
Vapor Technology Association

Bottom Line: This Turnigy Nano-Tech is only an ok performing pack and is overrated.

Discharging this Turnigy Nano-Tech at its 45A (25C) continuous current rating would quickly bring the pack voltage down to about 10.5V and quickly heat it up past Turnigy’s max temperature rating, causing the pack to puff. This cannot even be considered a 50C (90A) pulse-rated pack unless the pulses are short and far between and you don’t mind the huge voltage sag at 90A.

CAUTION: LiPo’s use the most volatile of the Li-Ion battery chemistries and can cause extreme injury if abused. Never use a LiPo unless the cells, wraps, wiring, and connector are in perfect condition. Never exceed the CDR of the LiPo unless you understand and accept the risks involved. You are responsible for your own safety, be careful!
My Ratings:
Capacity = 1800mAh
Continuous Discharge Rating (CDR) = 20A (11C)
Average Pack IR = 18.75mOhms
Average Cell IR = 4.5mOhms
Dimensions/Weight = 105 x 34 x 21mm/ 147gms

IR = Internal Resistance
mOhms = milliohms
Test results, discharge graph, photos: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/threads/turnigy-nano-tech-25c-50c-1800mah-3s-lipo-pack-bench-test-results-only-an-ok-11c-28c-pack.794799/

LiPo ratings table: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/lipo-pack-safety-grades-and-performance-table.7807/

All my test results to date: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

A PBusardo Review – The Therion Dual 18650 DNA-75 Mod by Lost Vape

In this video we do quick follow-up on the Colt Volt, we sing “OPC” :-), and we take a look at the Therion Dual 18650 DNA-75 Mod by Lost Vape.

The Links:
Vape Chemist
VaporDNA
Lost Vape
My DNA-75 board review
A second look at Escribe following the DNA-75 board review
Link to the VIVAPPOWER Colt Volt video mentioned in the review

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