Taste Your Juice

A BATTERY MOOCH POST: iJoy 25A 1400mAh 20350…paper top ring, hugely overrated!

I was very excited by the release of this 20350 and was hoping it might be a 15A cell, perhaps even 20A. Alas, I was greatly disappointed by the test results.

I’ve only tested two cells so far but both were very poor performers with terrible cell-to-cell consistency. I am trying to find a way to get at least four more cells for testing. Until then I am giving them a Do Not Buy recommendation.

One cell performed at about a 7A rating and the other performed as a 10A cell. The better performing iJoy only equaled the performance of the Vapcell 10A 1200mAh 18350. The other iJoy was a lot worse than the Vapcell 18350.

Based on their inconsistent cell-to-cell performance I think these are China manufactured cells.

This iJoy cell uses a thin paper ring as the top insulator. Do not let any eliquid, or any liquid, get on it as it could weaken the ring and/or cause rusting underneath.

The two cells I tested delivered 1441mAh and 1446mAh at 280mA (0.2C) down to 2.5V.

Until I can get more cells in for testing I am ESTIMATING this iJoy’s ratings to be 7A continuous (about 20W) and 1400mAh. The ratings will be adjusted as necessary when more testing is done.

Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Mike Vapes (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCt3WcCLs8Zm-zZNcqgixyMw).

Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/trS23MR

Test report: https://bit.ly/2Lt4MBQ

I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch

These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.

Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.

Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.

ARE WE BEING FORCED TO LIE TO CONSUMERS… AGAIN?

So we already know that not being permitted to advertise vaping as far safer than smoking by the FDA is forcing the industry to lie to consumers.

Are we being forced to do that again with this warning label?

I ask because I found some interesting information on-line…

Pure nicotine
Nicotine isn’t dependence-forming at all, outside of tobacco use. It has been found clinically impossible to show any dependence potential for pure nicotine.

None of the many clinical trials in which large quantities of pure nicotine were administered daily to never-smokers – the equivalent amount to that contained in up to 18 cigarettes, for up to 6 months – ever found any subject who showed any sign of dependence.

The leading researcher in this field, Dr Newhouse, whose day job is administering large amounts of pure nicotine to never-consumers of tobacco, says: “The dependence potential of pure nicotine is virtually nil”.

Because pure nicotine is not dependence-forming, it cannot be addictive either. In modern use, dependence means a compulsion that may be harmless or close to it, and addiction is compulsion plus clear and inarguable harm.

I found the article HERE.

Perhaps this too should be a warning? Hmmm…

NEW FROM REGULATOR WATCH – Flavor Spam (Update) | 95% Of Comments Submitted to FDA On Flavors & Vaping Deemed Astroturf

Here’s the latest from Brent Stafford at Regulator Watch:

RegWatch reports today that the extraordinary and unprecedented flood of fake comments into the network hosting the public consultation process for FDA’s proposed Regulation of Flavors in Tobacco Products is much higher than previously known.

With the comment period now closed, staff at Regulations.gov have confirmed to RegWatch that 95% of the 525,000 comments received into the system are indeed BOT submitted comments or are otherwise duplicate in nature. It’s a stunning revelation.

What impact will the anti-flavor astroturfing campaign have on the regulation of flavors in vaping? Find out—only on RegWatch by RegulatorWatch.com.

Produced by: Brent Stafford
Released: August 23, 2018

Is It Safe Recent News

Guest commentary: Potential public health benefit of vaping outweighs risks

Another well written article and a good read by my BFF who continues to impress me…

The debate around how to prevent underage youth from accessing vape products is an important one. Our organization strongly supports enforcement efforts to crackdown on illegal sales and punish bad actors. Vape products are for adult smokers— period.

But we must also preserve the consumer choice that people like me have relied on to quit smoking for good. It is a false dichotomy to claim we can’t have both.

Read the entire article HERE!

Battery Mooch Recent News

A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Golisi S32 30A 3200mAh 20700…it has changed, now only 25A

This cell has changed. It now runs hotter, by a few degrees-C, and at a slightly lower voltage than it did in my previous tests. This earns it a lower current rating. It appears to be the same cell as used by the 25A versions of the Vapcell gold 30A 3100mAh and QSO Orange 30A 3100mAh cell but I cannot be sure of this.

The two Golisi’s I tested delivered 3086mAh and 3117mAh at 640mA (0.2C) down to 2.5V.

I am ESTIMATING this Golisi’s ratings to be 25A continuous and 3000mAh.

Two cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.

Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/So95EYB

Test report: https://bit.ly/2MIJi8O

I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch

These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.

Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.

Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.

To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

Battery Mooch Recent News

A BATTERY MOOCH POST: QSO Orange 30A 3100mAh 20700…it has changed, now only 25A

This cell has been changed. It now runs hotter and at a slightly lower voltage than it did in my previous tests, by several degrees-C, earning it a lower current rating. It appears to be the same cell as used by the 25A version of the Vapcell gold 30A 3100mAh cell.

This QSO has the same top contact structure as the 25A version of that Vapcell but the metal can of the previous 30A version. The crimp at the top is a bit different than both though. I give up trying to understand all the variations coming out of whatever factory makes these. It is a 25A cell now.

The two QSO’s I tested delivered 3156mAh and 3170mAh at 620mA down to 2.5V.

I am ESTIMATING this QSO’s ratings to be 25A continuous and 3100mAh.

Two cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.

Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/Xr10aW9

Test report: https://bit.ly/2OVTt7x

I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch

These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.

Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.

Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.

To see how other cells have tested check out this link: https://www.e-cigarette-forum.com/forum/blog-entry/list-of-battery-tests.7436/

JOIN US AT NAPLES VAPOR ON SEPTEMBER 1ST IN CAPE CORAL!!!

FINALLY!! I’ve been wanting to do this for a long time and it’s FINALLY going to happen and I’m bringing a very special friend along!

Join me and my Greek brother from another mother… my BFF… my Bromance… Dimitris The Vapn’ Greek at Naples Vapor Saturday September 1st!!

The event begins at 3:00 PM and goes until…

There are going to be door prizes, Naples Vapor Cash, and raffles for vaping gear and a FLAT SCREEN TV!
Not to mention the non-stop Italian Vs. Greek ball busting you’re not going to want to miss.

If you have smokers in your life… Bring them along. I’m sure we’ll have something for them as well! #SmokersWanted

Where? – Naples Vapor – 2118 Del Prado Blvd S – Cape Coral Florida
When? – Saturday September 1st from 3:00 PM till…
Why? – So Dimitris can publicly make fun of my Skechers and slow internet speed and I can make fun of his new Ordro camera equipment… not to mention supporting vaping, vapers, the FSFA and helping smokers find a healthier alternative to traditional combustible tobacco cigarettes!

I’m so glad this is finally happening and CAN’T WAIT to meet fellow Cape Coral and surrounding area vapers! Hope to see you there!!

HUGE SHOUT OUT to Robert Hargrove from Naples Vapor for hosting and supporting this event!!

Battery Mooch Recent News

A BATTERY MOOCH POST: iJoy 40A 3000mAh 20700…third version of this battery, hugely overrated

This is the third version of this battery. The first had a five top “leg” top contact, the second had four legs, and this one has five legs but with a small “tab” at the bottom of each cutout in the top contact.

While these cells delivered roughly the same amount of energy as the original five leg version at moderate to high current levels (and much more than the four leg version) it did so at a MUCH higher temperature so it must be given a much lower current rating.

There was a decent difference in performance between the two cells I tested, much more than that typically seen between cells from Samsung, Sony, etc. This makes me think these iJoy cells are manufactured in China. But I don’t know for sure.

While the two cells I tested might be able to be given a continuous current rating between 20A and 25A I am sure they are not the hottest running cells from their batch. This forces me to rate this cell at 20A.

The two cells I tested delivered more mAh than their rating, 3188mAh and 3176mAh at 600mA down to 2.5V. Because this cell has already changed twice I am not giving it a capacity rating above the 3000mAh rating on the wrap.

I am ESTIMATING this iJoy’s ratings to be 20A continuous and 3000mAh.

Two cells were donated for the purposes of testing by Dash Vapes (http://www.dashvapes.com). Thank you!

Five cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.

Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/uxFUXeB

Test report: https://bit.ly/2wdLACp

I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch

These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.

Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.

Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.

Battery Mooch Recent News

A BATTERY MOOCH POST: Juiced 20A 3000mAh 18650…accurately rated (sort of), seems identical to Samsung 30Q

These cells look the same and perform essentially the same as the 15A 3000mAh Samsung 30Q. Samsung rates the 30Q at 15A continuous but the datasheet mentions operation at 20A. Never let these cells exceed 75°C if running them at 15A-20A. The Samsung 30Q is a great performing battery though.

The two cells I tested delivered 3108mAh and 3109mAh at 600mA down to 2.5V.

I had some questions regarding Juiced saying their cells were specifically developed for vaping. I have asked Juiced about this and am waiting for their response.

Juiced uses “IMNR HYBRID” on the wrap as, it seems, a battery chemistry designator but I have never seen that used before. The IMR and INR manufacturer model prefixes (they’re not chemistries) are common though. INR is already a prefix used for “hybrid” chemistry cells so using IMNR is a bit confusing in my opinion. But, each company is free to create any designator they want.

The Juiced web site says that this cell uses a “Lithium-Manganese, Nickel” chemistry. The Samsung 30Q uses NCA chemistry though, nickel-cobalt-aluminum. If this is not a 30Q then perhaps it is NMC chemistry, nickel-manganese-cobalt? That is a common chemistry used by vapers. It looks and performs the same as a 30Q though.

The Juiced web site mentions that they spent years researching and testing the best 18650’s, found this cell, and then improved it. I have requested info on what changes they have made. I have also requested the summaries of their previous testing as I am sure our community would love to know how different cells performed for Juiced. Any other test results we can get is great to have!

I am ESTIMATING this Juiced cell’s ratings to be 15A continuous, 20A temperature-limited to 75°C, and 3000mAh.

Five cells were purchased for the purposes of testing by me.

Ratings graphic: https://imgur.com/a/tqiGagQ

Test report: https://bit.ly/2BmdLVR

I want to work for the vaping community full time! If you feel what I do is worth a couple dollars a month and you would like early access to battery availability and testing news and a say in what I test then please consider becoming a patron and supporting my testing efforts: https://www.patreon.com/batterymooch

These tests only note the ESTIMATED ratings for these batteries at the time I tested them. Any battery that is not a genuine Samsung, Sony, LG, Panasonic, or Sanyo can change at any time! This is one of the hazards of using “rewrapped” batteries or batteries from other manufacturers so carefully research any battery you are considering using before purchasing.

Misusing or mishandling lithium-ion batteries can pose a SERIOUS RISK of personal injury or property damage. They are not meant to be used outside of a protected battery pack. Never exceed the battery’s continuous current rating and keep the plastic wrap and top insulating ring in perfect condition.

Any rating in my ratings tables can change at any time as different grade cells appear on the market, we get swamped with fakes, or new information becomes available to me. Please, never assume that the ratings in the tables are permanent and will never change! Always download the latest version before considering any cell purchase.